“So, if you can, and all scholars agree that if you can achieve spreading Islam and people accepting Islam without shedding the blood of a person, subhanallah, where it says that ‘no you have to shed their blood?’ This is nonsense. And brothers what is the point of dawah, yeah, or establishing Islam? First of all, dawah means people will say Lá iláha illallah. So rather than reducing the possible number of people who say Lá iláha illallah, you need to increase the number of people who say Lá iláha illallah. So when you give dawah and people accept Islam, that is the priority, definitely, without a shadow of a doubt, yeah? OK? So, and establishing Islam by sword, this, I’m not denying it by the way, but I’m saying it is the last resort once all conditions are met, yeah? We need an Islamic state and we need kind of Khilafah, and we need to give people dawah, and we need to give it time, and they need to see the role model of al-Islam. All of these conditions, and there are other conditions that all scholars agree upon by the way, yeah? For example, to call people to Islam before sword, none of the scholars said no. Carry sword before giving dawah, if someone says no there are some scholars who say this, give me. And give me classical scholars, don’t say to me ‘x’ person in Tora Bora says this, yeah? This is nonsense. Give me scholars, real scholars from the past. And no one says that.
I’m not saying, by the way, I’m not denying jihad. I’m not saying that jihad is not part of al-Islam. If someone said jihad, by fighting, not jihad in general, jihad by fighting is not part of al-Islam, he is committing a belief of kufr. Allah (jalla wa ‘ala) says in the Quran Kutiba AAalaykumu alqitalu wahuwa kurhun lakum – Qital [fighting] was made obligatory upon you. No one can deny it. No Muslim scholars can deny it because it means that he is denying Quran. But it is a matter of application. Application – how do we apply it, when do we apply it, what are the conditions.”